Wednesday, July 13, 2005


From Dachau web page

My sense of outrage is being tested today. I do not like living in a place that mimics the Third Reich. Yet here it is, more ugly news about our gulag prison system where people languish without the succor of laws or covenants, for years, while being viciously abused.

From Bloomberg News:
U.S. military investigators told senators today that forcing a top male detainee to wear lingerie and perform dog tricks was ``no evidence of inhumane treatment'' at the Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, prison for terror suspects.

The techniques were used to extract information from Mohamed al-Khatani, whom U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld last month described as the would-be ``20th hijacker'' in the Sept. 11 attacks.

``He was forced to dance with a male interrogator, was subject to strip searches for control measures, not for security, and he was forced to perform dog tricks -- all this to lower his personal sense of worth,'' said U.S. Air Force Lieutenant General Randall M. Schmidt, senior investigating officer, according to a transcript of the Senate Armed Services Committee hearing.
This "dog act" is old stuff. I could distinctly remember reading about it before and it took me less than five minutes to find other sources on the web, just think "neo Nazi".

From Third World Traveler, the Argentina coup
Despite the fact that Jews constitute only one percent of the population of Argentina, an estimated ten percent of the victims of the dirty war were Jews. That this war had an anti-Semitic side is attested to by CONADEP, which devoted a section to illustrate this point. It is illustrated, to quote the report, by the "particular brutality in the treatment of prisoners of Jewish origin .1117 Jews were not only tortured, but the torture often took on an anti-Semitic form. The torturers painted swastikas on one Jewish prisoner's back with a sharp pointed marker. Another torturer who called himself the "great fuehrer" made Jewish prisoners shout "Hell Hitler." A Jewish woman on her way to an excursion in Israel was called by her abductors "a Yid," and subjected to the cattle prod. They wanted information from her and from her files on Jews. She was told that the Jewish problem was second only to the problem of subversion. Later, they told her that her abduction was a mistake and to forget it. In one torture center Jews were made to raise one hand and to shout "I love Hitler." One prisoner remembered the ordeal of another prisoner, a Jew nicknamed "Chango," at the hands of his torturer called "Julian the Turk." Julian always carried a key ring with a swastika and wore a crucifix around his neck. He made Chango bark like a dog, wag as though he were a dog wagging his tail, and lick his boots. Chango did very well at this. If he didn't, Julian would beat him. CONADEP concluded that:

All kinds of torture would be applied to Jews, especially one which was extremely sadistic and cruel: "the rectoscope," which consisted of inserting a tube into the victim's anus, or into a woman's vagina, then letting a rat into the tube. The rodent would try to get out by gnawing at the victim's internal organs.
Most of the people murdered or tortured were innocent. Intellectuals, writers, union organizers, beautiful women, Jews, all were picked up at whim by the Argentinian military that gained power thanks to help from the CIA and School of the Americas.

From Justin Raimondo at

One wonders if they ever sent those photos back home – or if they were taken for other purposes. In any case, the mistreatment of prisoners, and the American penchant for recording their own brutality on film, is nothing new. Nor is the element of sexual perversion.

The Taguba report lists rape and abuse of imprisoned children among the other crimes committed by the MPs and their enablers, but this is old news. Child abuse as a key aspect of the "liberation" was revealed by Kelly on back in December:

"'There were 13 year old kids in with us,' Fadi said. 'Sometimes they would throw candies from their humvees, shouting 'Bark like a dog, and I'll throw you the candy'..Some of the small children were crying in the night, asking to go home to their families. We were trying to get them quiet.'

"'Some of the prisoners were criminals, thieves. They put the children with them. Some of them tried to abuse children. We told the guards, they started laughing. One prisoner tried to rape a kid and he refused, so they made a cut on his face."
Excuse me while I go out and barf.


Geezus, America! Here we are, trying to be outraged about some British kids who felt badly enough to blow themselves and their neighbors up and yet we are...monsters ourselves! There is no excuse for any of this. This is not how you do police work. This is what Nazis did to people! They were very fond of doing these things. The sole purpose was to humilate before murdering people. We aren't dropping people from helicopters except I bet we are!

Now for some horror on the right wing of the blogsphere: From Daly Thoughts:
On the heel’s of yesterday’s Gallup survey showing a majority of Americans approve of the way prisoners at Guantanamo Bay are being treated comes this survey from Scott Rasmussen:

Rasmussen Reports survey found that 20% of Americans believe prisoners at Guantanomo Bay have been treated unfairly. Seven-out-of-ten adults believe the prisoners are being treated “better than they deserve” (36%) or “about right” (34%).

The survey also found that just 14% agree with people who say that prisoner treatment at Guantanomo Bay is similar to Nazi tactics. Sixty-nine percent disagree with that comparison. This helps explain why Illinois Senator Dick Durbin apologized for making such a comparison.

Partisan differences concerning prisoner treatment are huge. Only 7% of Republicans believe Guantanomo prisoners are treated unfairly. Thirty percent (30%) of Democrats hold that view along with 22% of those not affiliated with either major party.

Forty-five percent (45%) of Republicans say the prisoners are treated better than they deserve. That view is shared by 28% of Democrats.

I disagree with Rasmussen’s characterization of the partisan differences being huge. When there are only 17 to 23 points separating the parties, it is a much smaller difference than is found on most issues. We do not have unanimity, but we do have consensus.
Well, I know that if we polled Germans in 1945, the numbers would be about the same. Even as American soldiers were literally shaking the Germans and yelling, "What is going on here?" at Dachau, the good citizens who lived a literal stone's throw blinked in astonishment because they couldn't understand that anything was wrong at all.

It is the nature of people indulging in the gross horror of fascism to actively approve, nay, it is often very popular. The streets are safe, all is well, a certain amount of loot is brought home and passed around, goodies abound and enemies suffer. What is there to be against?

The people holding the latest hearings about our gross violations of the Human Rights treaties know very well that we transgressed deep into "Nuremberg Trial" territory and if there were real justice in the world, we would be in the dock right this minute facing the death penalty.

But the trials in Germany were a farce. We had no intention of fixing anything, we just were doing the old fashioned "kill the losers" garbage. We dearly want to torture and kill Saddam but it is too late for that so we hold him illegally in prison, too, without charges and without trial. We dare not charge him with torturing or killing Iraqis. That would be laughed out of any court.


I also read today somewhere, we interrogated a prisoner for 18 to 20 hours a day for 54 days. This is on the level of "Spanish Inquisition" style torture. This is very much a violation of the Human Rights Treaties not to mention our very own Constitution which the courts conspired to violate if not utterly trash by allowing Bush to hold many prisoners all over the planet as well as American territories so we can torture them. This is totally Unamerican. This is what our Founding Fathers fought. Precisely this very thing. This was, for they all faced such horrors themselves, a top issue with them and they carefully framed the new Constitution to prevent such a system from being created here!

It is the very basis of our country. It is what the 4th of July is supposedly all about! Not the flag but the Declaration of Independence which also mentions imprisonment without trials! Geeze.

I am very pissed about all this. You or I or anyone can, like the Argentinians, find themselve barking like a dog while some ridiculous, vicious, neo Nazi jerk laughs.

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